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Thursday, September 3, 2015

The worst of stackoverflow - question/1732348

Stackoverflow.com is a  site that  tries to  help developers and programmers. Unfortunately it frequently fails miserably at the task due to restrictions over moderation. Sometime the model is just a poor fit that does not help or teach  new comers  and it  bores  advanced developers to death.  This is a chronicle of some of the websites most glaring problems.
It's interesting to watch the train wreck in slow motion so I'll post some of the worst  of stackoverflow.com.  Questions with Answers that are so obvious and could be better answered through a good tutorial on a blog.  Also questions that get answered even though they have been over moderated.

This one made me giggle even though there was nothing particularly wrong with the question or answer. The reactionary result was typical.  This goes down as my favorite example of what is wrong with the reputation system. Just the sheer number of answers is a laugh.




RegEx match open tags except XHTML self-contained tags


RegEx match open tags except XHTML self-contained tags
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I need to match all of these opening tags:

<p>
<a href="foo">

But not these:

<br />
<hr class="foo" />

I came up with this and wanted to make sure I've got it right. I am only capturing the a-z.

<([a-z]+) *[^/]*?>

I believe it says:

    Find a less-than, then
    Find (and capture) a-z one or more times, then
    Find zero or more spaces, then
    Find any character zero or more times, greedy, except /, then
    Find a greater-than

Do I have that right? And more importantly, what do you think?
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@LarsH: “Funniness” is in the fact that question was about matching tag in XML and the answers are about parsing_XML. You're right about “parsing string to get a match”, but I think you'll agree, there's a serious difference between parsing XML and parsing string. –  thebodzio May 24 '12 at 23:57
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You can't parse [X]HTML with regex. Because HTML can't be parsed by regex. Regex is not a tool that can be used to correctly parse HTML. As I have answered in HTML-and-regex questions here so many times before, the use of regex will not allow you to consume HTML. Regular expressions are a tool that is insufficiently sophisticated to understand the constructs employed by HTML. HTML is not a regular language and hence cannot be parsed by regular expressions. Regex queries are not equipped to break down HTML into its meaningful parts. so many times but it is not getting to me. Even enhanced irregular regular expressions as used by Perl are not up to the task of parsing HTML. You will never make me crack. HTML is a language of sufficient complexity that it cannot be parsed by regular expressions. Even Jon Skeet cannot parse HTML using regular expressions. Every time you attempt to parse HTML with regular expressions, the unholy child weeps the blood of virgins, and Russian hackers pwn your webapp. Parsing HTML with regex summons tainted souls into the realm of the living. HTML and regex go together like love, marriage, and ritual infanticide. The <center> cannot hold it is too late. The force of regex and HTML together in the same conceptual space will destroy your mind like so much watery putty. If you parse HTML with regex you are giving in to Them and their blasphemous ways which doom us all to inhuman toil for the One whose Name cannot be expressed in the Basic Multilingual Plane, he comes. HTML-plus-regexp will liquify the n​erves of the sentient whilst you observe, your psyche withering in the onslaught of horror. Rege̿̔̉x-based HTML parsers are the cancer that is killing StackOverflow it is too late it is too late we cannot be saved the trangession of a chi͡ld ensures regex will consume all living tissue (except for HTML which it cannot, as previously prophesied) dear lord help us how can anyone survive this scourge using regex to parse HTML has doomed humanity to an eternity of dread torture and security holes using regex as a tool to process HTML establishes a breach between this world and the dread realm of c͒ͪo͛ͫrrupt entities (like SGML entities, but more corrupt) a mere glimpse of the world of reg​ex parsers for HTML will ins​tantly transport a programmer's consciousness into a world of ceaseless screaming, he comes, the pestilent slithy regex-infection wil​l devour your HT​ML parser, application and existence for all time like Visual Basic only worse he comes he comes do not fi​ght he com̡e̶s, ̕h̵i​s un̨ho͞ly radiańcé destro҉ying all enli̍̈́̂̈́ghtenment, HTML tags lea͠ki̧n͘g fr̶ǫm ̡yo​͟ur eye͢s̸ ̛l̕ik͏e liq​uid pain, the song of re̸gular exp​ression parsing will exti​nguish the voices of mor​tal man from the sp​here I can see it can you see ̲͚̖͔̙î̩́t̲͎̩̱͔́̋̀ it is beautiful t​he final snuffing of the lie​s of Man ALL IS LOŚ͖̩͇̗̪̏̈́T ALL I​S LOST the pon̷y he comes he c̶̮omes he comes the ich​or permeates all MY FACE MY FACE ᵒh god no NO NOO̼O​O NΘ stop the an​*̶͑̾̾​̅ͫ͏̙̤g͇̫͛͆̾ͫ̑͆l͖͉̗̩̳̟̍ͫͥͨe̠̅s ͎a̧͈͖r̽̾̈́͒͑e n​ot rè̑ͧ̌aͨl̘̝̙̃ͤ͂̾̆ ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ ISͮ̂҉̯͈͕̹̘̱ TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚​N̐Y̡ H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ

Have you tried using an XML parser instead?

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Kobi: I think it's time for me to quit the post of Assistant Don't Parse HTML With Regex Officer. No matter how many times we say it, they won't stop coming every day... every hour even. It is a lost cause, which someone else can fight for a bit. So go on, parse HTML with regex, if you must. It's only broken code, not life and death. –  bobince Nov 13 '09 at 23:18
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You've been Coding Horror'd! codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001311.html –  Michael Myers♦ Nov 16 '09 at 18:52
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Is it possible to use RegEx to parse this answer? –  Chris Porter Nov 17 '09 at 18:26
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If you can't see this post, here's a screencapture of it in all its glory: imgur.com/gOPS2.png –  Andrew Keeton Nov 19 '09 at 14:37
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While it is true that asking regexes to parse arbitrary HTML is like asking Paris Hilton to write an operating system, it's sometimes appropriate to parse a limited, known set of HTML.

If you have a small set of HTML pages that you want to scrape data from and then stuff into a database, regexes might work fine. For example, I recently wanted to get the names, parties, and districts of Australian federal Representatives, which I got off of the Parliament's Web site. This was a limited, one-time job.

Regexes worked just fine for me, and were very fast to set up.
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Also, scraping fairly regularly formatted data from large documents is going to be WAY faster with judicious use of scan & regex than any generic parser. And if you are comfortable with coding regexes, way faster to code than coding xpaths. And almost certainly less fragile to changes in what you are scraping. So bleh. –  Michael Johnston Apr 17 '12 at 20:47
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@MichaelJohnston "Less fragile"? Almost certainly not. Regexes care about text-formatting details than an XML parser can silently ignore. Switching between &foo; encodings and CDATA sections? Using an HTML minifier to remove all whitespace in your document that the browser doesn't render? An XML parser won't care, and neither will a well-written XPath statement. A regex-based "parser", on the other hand... –  Charles Duffy Jul 11 '12 at 16:03
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@CharlesDuffy for an one time job it's ok, and for spaces we use \s+ –  quantum Jul 12 '12 at 13:50
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@xiaomao indeed, if having to know all the gotchas and workarounds to get an 80% solution that fails the rest of the time "works for you", I can't stop you. Meanwhile, I'm over on my side of the fence using parsers that work on 100% of syntactically valid XML. –  Charles Duffy Jul 12 '12 at 16:07
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I once had to pull some data off ~10k pages, all with the same HTML template. They were littered with HTML errors that caused parsers to choke, and all their styling was inline or with <font> etc.: no classes or IDs to help navigate the DOM. After fighting all day with the "right" approach, I finally switched to a regex solution and had it working in an hour. –  Paul A Jungwirth Sep 7 '12 at 7:14
   
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I think the flaw here is that HTML is a Chomsky Type 2 grammar (context free grammar) and RegEx is a Chomsky Type 3 grammar (regular grammar). Since a Type 2 grammar is fundamentally more complex than a Type 3 grammar (see the Chomsky hierarchy), you can't possibly make this work. But many will try, some will claim success and others will find the fault and totally mess you up.
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